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		<title>By: Matthew Dentith</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13983</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dentith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re obviously not reading the same words I am. 

Given that you&#039;re not going to respond, I&#039;m not going to bother spending any more time on this comment. You&#039;ll take this as proof positive you&#039;ve won, but rest assured, you have not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re obviously not reading the same words I am. </p>
<p>Given that you&#8217;re not going to respond, I&#8217;m not going to bother spending any more time on this comment. You&#8217;ll take this as proof positive you&#8217;ve won, but rest assured, you have not.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Olthwaite</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13982</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Olthwaite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rest of &quot;Sydney barristers&quot; must really be rubbish if someone as sub-standard if this chap managed to become &quot;distinguished&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest of &#8220;Sydney barristers&#8221; must really be rubbish if someone as sub-standard if this chap managed to become &#8220;distinguished&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Johnson</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13981</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, that&#039;s it from me.  Although I will check on your response to the above.  Your site is too limited without a forum.

Finally, I just read the comments in your &quot;Hello Truthers&quot; entry.  Some very fine points made that you were having all sorts of trouble dodging.

Wake up Matthew and get your head out of the sand.</description>
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<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s it from me.  Although I will check on your response to the above.  Your site is too limited without a forum.</p>
<p>Finally, I just read the comments in your &#8220;Hello Truthers&#8221; entry.  Some very fine points made that you were having all sorts of trouble dodging.</p>
<p>Wake up Matthew and get your head out of the sand.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Johnson</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13980</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I just read that section from Appendix C, which gives a fairly dense explanation of why they think the low temperature fire had that effect; can you tell me, on scientific grounds, why that explanation is wrong?&quot;

D+ for comprehension

Did you not read their conclusion where they admit there is no clear explanation?


&quot;The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires. &quot;

No way, another &quot;very unusual event&quot; on 9/11.</description>
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<p>&#8220;I just read that section from Appendix C, which gives a fairly dense explanation of why they think the low temperature fire had that effect; can you tell me, on scientific grounds, why that explanation is wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>D+ for comprehension</p>
<p>Did you not read their conclusion where they admit there is no clear explanation?</p>
<p>&#8220;The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires. &#8221;</p>
<p>No way, another &#8220;very unusual event&#8221; on 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dentith</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13972</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dentith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then of course there are numerous videos showing
- Building 7’s straight down collapse at free fall speed.
- Lateral high speed ejections of steel girders from WTC 1 &amp; 2
- Squibs popping out up to 60 metres below the collapse canopy.
- etc&quot;

All contestable; I mean, the squibs are the result of the wave of pressure preceding the collapse, for one thing. The buckling of the building as it fell sent out girders, et cetera. None of this debunks the official story. I know you want it to, but just asserting that it does doesn&#039;t mean its true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then of course there are numerous videos showing<br />
- Building 7’s straight down collapse at free fall speed.<br />
- Lateral high speed ejections of steel girders from WTC 1 &amp; 2<br />
- Squibs popping out up to 60 metres below the collapse canopy.<br />
- etc&#8221;</p>
<p>All contestable; I mean, the squibs are the result of the wave of pressure preceding the collapse, for one thing. The buckling of the building as it fell sent out girders, et cetera. None of this debunks the official story. I know you want it to, but just asserting that it does doesn&#8217;t mean its true.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dentith</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13971</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dentith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read that section from Appendix C, which gives a fairly dense explanation of why they think the low temperature fire had that effect; can you tell me, on scientific grounds, why that explanation is wrong?

As has been pointed out before, finding iron rich microspheres is perfectly explicable without having needed a controlled demolition; they only become important if the thermite thesis is proven, which, at this stage, it has not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read that section from Appendix C, which gives a fairly dense explanation of why they think the low temperature fire had that effect; can you tell me, on scientific grounds, why that explanation is wrong?</p>
<p>As has been pointed out before, finding iron rich microspheres is perfectly explicable without having needed a controlled demolition; they only become important if the thermite thesis is proven, which, at this stage, it has not.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dentith</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13970</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dentith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s unhelpful but it does somewhat show your true colours; so, any organisation that doesn&#039;t agree with your theory is somehow part of the Conspiracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s unhelpful but it does somewhat show your true colours; so, any organisation that doesn&#8217;t agree with your theory is somehow part of the Conspiracy?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dentith</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13969</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dentith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you give us clear documentation of that? Some of the photographic evidence, by Steven Jones has been shown to be photoshopped (one, in particular, is of a group of workers looking at what appears to be a pool of glowing metal but actually turns up to be the glare of their lamps) and a lot of the material Jones talks about obfuscates between the claim of &#039;previously molten metal&#039; and &#039;molten metal&#039; mentioned in the past tense, which means it is a little hard to check whether we&#039;re working with the evidence of an actual bit of molten metal or the claim that it was suspect that some deposits were molten at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you give us clear documentation of that? Some of the photographic evidence, by Steven Jones has been shown to be photoshopped (one, in particular, is of a group of workers looking at what appears to be a pool of glowing metal but actually turns up to be the glare of their lamps) and a lot of the material Jones talks about obfuscates between the claim of &#8216;previously molten metal&#8217; and &#8216;molten metal&#8217; mentioned in the past tense, which means it is a little hard to check whether we&#8217;re working with the evidence of an actual bit of molten metal or the claim that it was suspect that some deposits were molten at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dentith</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13968</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dentith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? Because he can&#039;t draft a letter and he can&#039;t even find the e-mail address of a member of the New Zealand Parliament, despite the fact that a search for &quot;Jeanette Fitzsimmons e-mail&quot; will provide it as the first Google listing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? Because he can&#8217;t draft a letter and he can&#8217;t even find the e-mail address of a member of the New Zealand Parliament, despite the fact that a search for &#8220;Jeanette Fitzsimmons e-mail&#8221; will provide it as the first Google listing.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So just to repeat the challenge that was caught up in the larger post....

Please one of you explain:

How the molten steel documented by FEMA was melted, when office fires are not capable of reaching anywhere near the necessary temperature.</description>
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<p>So just to repeat the challenge that was caught up in the larger post&#8230;.</p>
<p>Please one of you explain:</p>
<p>How the molten steel documented by FEMA was melted, when office fires are not capable of reaching anywhere near the necessary temperature.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Johnson</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13966</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest this Noble guy&#039;s arguments are as weak as his CV would suggest.

What does he say about the molten steel documented at Ground Zero?  Nothing.</description>
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<p>To be honest this Noble guy&#8217;s arguments are as weak as his CV would suggest.</p>
<p>What does he say about the molten steel documented at Ground Zero?  Nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Johnson</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13965</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s actually a distinguished Sydney barrister.</description>
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<p>He&#8217;s actually a distinguished Sydney barrister.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Johnson</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13964</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Edward - some of the sources are pretty airtight.

The iron rich microspheres in the WTC dust were found by Professor Jones and 2 other independent studies - R.G. Lee company, and U.S. Geological Survey.

Molten steel at Ground Zero, more specifically under building 7 was documented by FEMA itself in Appendix C of their report.  They conducted a metallurgical examination.  What do you know:

&quot;The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused &quot;intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.&quot; The New York Times described this as &quot;perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.&quot;&quot;

You can&#039;t hide from facts like these.  If any of you can debunk this piece of evidence please let me know.

Then of course there are numerous videos showing
- Building 7&#039;s straight down collapse at free fall speed.
- Lateral high speed ejections of steel girders from WTC 1 &amp; 2
- Squibs popping out up to 60 metres below the collapse canopy.
- etc

The evidence is truly overwhelming.</description>
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<p>Well Edward &#8211; some of the sources are pretty airtight.</p>
<p>The iron rich microspheres in the WTC dust were found by Professor Jones and 2 other independent studies &#8211; R.G. Lee company, and U.S. Geological Survey.</p>
<p>Molten steel at Ground Zero, more specifically under building 7 was documented by FEMA itself in Appendix C of their report.  They conducted a metallurgical examination.  What do you know:</p>
<p>&#8220;The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused &#8220;intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.&#8221; The New York Times described this as &#8220;perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.&#8221;"</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t hide from facts like these.  If any of you can debunk this piece of evidence please let me know.</p>
<p>Then of course there are numerous videos showing<br />
- Building 7&#8217;s straight down collapse at free fall speed.<br />
- Lateral high speed ejections of steel girders from WTC 1 &amp; 2<br />
- Squibs popping out up to 60 metres below the collapse canopy.<br />
- etc</p>
<p>The evidence is truly overwhelming.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Johnson</title>
		<link>http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/11/24/letter-from-a-truthful-lawyer-and-a-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-13963</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are the much larger group that disagree?

NIST doesn&#039;t count as they are part of the cover-up.</description>
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<p>Who are the much larger group that disagree?</p>
<p>NIST doesn&#8217;t count as they are part of the cover-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dentith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Dentith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of trading on false authority that goes on in these circles (and it isn&#039;t limited to the Truth Movement; Climate Change Denial uses it, Intelligent Design advocates use it and, importantly, most politicians use it); I was interested in the way that Richard gage shut down certain conversations with Kim Hill by saying he wasn&#039;t a scientist and therefore not qualified to critically discuss certain aspects of his thesis. If he actually toed that line and said &quot;Look, I&#039;m not saying it is definitely controlled demolition, just that it might be&quot; he&#039;d have a much stronger case to argue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of trading on false authority that goes on in these circles (and it isn&#8217;t limited to the Truth Movement; Climate Change Denial uses it, Intelligent Design advocates use it and, importantly, most politicians use it); I was interested in the way that Richard gage shut down certain conversations with Kim Hill by saying he wasn&#8217;t a scientist and therefore not qualified to critically discuss certain aspects of his thesis. If he actually toed that line and said &#8220;Look, I&#8217;m not saying it is definitely controlled demolition, just that it might be&#8221; he&#8217;d have a much stronger case to argue.</p>
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